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Feb 8

I dont like rap and it has nothing to do with race.

so-treu:

isabelthespy:

so-treu:

appropriately-inappropriate:

lebanesepoppyseed:

appropriately-inappropriate:

jonaki:

lebanesepoppyseed:

jonaki:

lebanesepoppyseed:

I think ppl forget that just bc they’re not actively thinkin “I dont like rap/hip hop bc it’s black music” doesn’t mean that anti-black racism doesn’t figure into those blanket statements/opinions in the 1st place. OPINIONS AREN’T FORMED IN A VACUUM.

Yup, this exactly.

And in my experience, more often than not, after talking to these “I don’t like hip hop/rap AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE” people for .5 seconds, their anti-black racism shows anyways.

You are both totally right and your logic is flawless. You have unraveled the complexities of human nature in just a few sentences, which is at least commendable. Thanks for making me realize that, just because people aren’t actively thinking “i don’t like tacos because it’s mexican food” doesn’t mean that they’re not actually racist. They most probably are, especially if they’re white. And if they say that they’re allergic to an ingredient, i will now know that it’s probably their white supremacy manifesting itself in their bodily functions and oozing out of their nostrils when they sneeze.

…Who the fuck are you and what the fuck are you on about.

I’m someone who doesn’t like rap music and doesn’t appreciate idiots making assumptions about why that is. 

I don’t like hip-hop or rap, and it has nothing to do with race.
I don’t like it because as a rule? it’s pretty damn homophobic and it’s pretty misogynistic and I don’t like my music telling me that I can *beep* that *beep* up and *beep* the *beep* *beep*. Half the time, so many words are *beeeped* out that I can barely tell what they’re *beeping* saying.

Also, I really hate my sexuality being something that’s performed for the benefit of some man, ala “My Girlfriend’s Gotta Girlfriend” and that Nicki Minaj song about going to go see Usher and that Kanye song about Klondike Bars.

Which has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the fact that I find it distasteful and crude. So, yeah.

Your painting of hip hop and rap as a “distasteful and crude” monolith is misinformed, ignorant, reductionist, and bigoted as fuck. Your choosing to magically remove the ties that hip hop and rap has to the African American community is only to alleviate any guilt you might have about your ignorant opinions of the genre. The blackness of hip hop and rap is inextricable with hip hop and rap. Simple as that. That can’t be ignored when people criticize it. You think you’re the first basic motherfuck to come out and say this shit? Really? Sit the fuck down.

TL:DR-Thanks for proving my point marvleously!

“Heard they’d do anything for a Klondike/ well, I’ll do anything for a blonde dyke/ and she’ll do anything for the limelight/ and we’ll do anything when the time’s right” —”Stronger”, Kanye West

“Y’all niggas intellects mad slow/ all ya fags know/ Claimin’ you bangin, you flamin’/ bet you could light your own cigarette with your asshole”
“I might rap tight as the snatch of a fat dyke”  — “Fast Lane” —Eminem & Royce Da 5’9

How bought I cum all on your dick and then lick it off?/ I mean it’s somethin’ so funny when it get soft/ I like to play wit’ it, squeeze it like a stress ball/ He said he like to hear the sound of me slurpin it” -“Freaky Girl” —Nicki Minaj

Those are just a few of the examples I can think of off the top of my heard wherein rap and hip-hop are specifically crude, derogatory or discriminatory. That has nothing to do with the colour of the rapper’s skin (Eminem being white and all), and everything to do with the fact that I have no desire to monetarily or socially support a style of music that degrades others.
So why don’t you take that inchoate rage and go spew it somewhere else? I have no problems whatsoever with Black Culture or music—jazz, blues, gospel, funk and soul are all brilliant and challenging as a musician and I can appreciate them with full enthusiasm. I can appreciate the Black contribution to reggaeton and merengue and salsa. But I cannot in good faith support a musical genre that advocates ‘snitches get stitches’ and calling people ‘fat dykes’ and ‘faggots’, and I am well within my rights to say that I find the music unappealing and frankly, a little warped.

And I’ll even say it again: I don’t like rap, and it has nothing to do with race.

wait…….but……..you DO know that blues, jazz, funk, and reggaeton have called people “faggots” and “fat dyke” and all sort of degarding, oppresive things. like, you DO know that there are blues songs about eating coochie, right? like, ever heard a Ma Rainey song? this shit ain’t new.

like, i understand not wanting to listen to/support violence and all that. i get it. but……..rap is not the only genre of black music that pulls that shit and you honestly don’t seem to get that and the hypocrisy and utter lack of awareness is bemusing me.

word to so-treu. also is it just my heart-goggles for nicki minaj that finds something off about putting those lyrics of hers along with the other two examples? like i get the problems in the first two but… i don’t… see an issue… with nicki enjoying playing with a dude’s dick? are we… not supposed to like that now, or…? the other two are degrading other people, but the only person i see being “degraded” in the third is nicki herself, for sex things she likes, which UMMMMMM NO. maybe i am reading this wrong?

no I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING

but see, that nicki verse is problematic only if you consider women expressing their sexuality to be problematic. as if it can only be done for the service of men or something.

i just really really really needed this gif on my blog


  1. appropriately-inappropriate reblogged this from manicphase and added:
    Wow, this thread is insane, it just won’t die. It’s like that time the Lolitas got offended. As I’ve said before: my...
  2. manicphase reblogged this from appropriately-inappropriate and added:
    Put your prejudice on the ground and step away from the mainstream. How can a music genre possibly support something?...
  3. iuwaehfoaiuwhefoiaulfjqn reblogged this from genderbitch and added:
    It’s not like any genre is safe, there’s apparently a song by some metal band called ‘Indie Fags Fuck Off’ they can...
  4. staghunts reblogged this from lebanesepoppyseed and added:
    In one sentence, the OP is able to succinctly define rape culture, yet assumes that hip-hop is uniquely overflowing with...
  5. lebanesepoppyseed reblogged this from appropriately-inappropriate and added:
    I didn’t ask for you to give credentials or anything else, I couldn’t give less of a fuck about who or what you are. I...
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  8. katzecatchat reblogged this from dailymurf and added:
    isn’t misogynist listen...coup. or dead prez. or probably way more i still haven’t...
  9. dailymurf reblogged this from inflateablefilth and added:
    Is it surely not better to say “I don’t like music that has homophobic/misogynistic/crude content in it” rather than...
  10. shannonsunrise reblogged this from inflateablefilth and added:
    Jesus Christ this whole conversation makes my head hurt. As if there’s no rap or hip-hop in existence that ISN’T sexist...
  11. inflateablefilth reblogged this from luxuryailments and added:
    [gif of Nikki tossing her hair with a bored ‘really don’t care’ look on her face] Here’s some more songs with...
  12. luxuryailments reblogged this from so-treu
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  14. andrewtsks reblogged this from isabelthespy and added:
    arguments like this...rap/hip-hop based...mean, shit, is it...
  15. strontiumgirlcommando reblogged this from isabelthespy and added:
    Man, these conversations… And that description of hip hop is a bit, I used to dislike hip hop (not because women and gay...
  16. sexshooter reblogged this from saltmarshhag and added:
    idk i just kind of side eye when it comes down to “here are three examples of shitty lyrics in a genre therefore IT IS...
  17. puggbutt reblogged this from steviemcfly and added:
    racist, heterosexist + misogynistic slurs
  18. jimmyflo1989 reblogged this from so-treu and added:
    Bravo all! To address Nicki Minaj’s lyric I’d suggest you listen...Bizzle who doesn’t...
  19. rakalak reblogged this from isabelthespy and added:
    omg heart-goggles for nicki minaj, yes.
  20. genderbitch reblogged this from so-treu and added:
    Not to mention the fact that there are rap songs and hip hop without a whit of misogyny or homophobia. Or that there’s a...
  21. wickedetiquette reblogged this from so-treu and added:
    I’ma need them to go read StevieMcFly’s post
  22. occupythedisco reblogged this from appropriately-inappropriate and added:
    homophobia and misogyny...almost always brought up as a reason to
  23. isabelthespy reblogged this from so-treu and added:
    i just really really really needed this gif on my blog
  24. so-treu reblogged this from isabelthespy and added:
    no I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING but see, that nicki verse is problematic only if you consider women expressing their...
  25. affectionateanarchy reblogged this from so-treu and added:
    am understanding both sides...also I’m too lazy...provide...
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